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Wednesday, November 27, 2002

Well, I guess I couldn't handle it. I'm at my parents' house for Thanksgiving - we're just sitting around - so I have to blog. Having more than one place to blog is weird too. Where do I say what I want to say? Well, "my" blog is not a blogger blog. I update it manually and I don't have the software here so I'm hangin at the Vine tonight. I guess this will work for what I've been thinking about today. It even sort of relates to Robert's blog down there (Live! from Tulsa!!).

I was at work today. We have a laid back atmosphere there - it's very cool. Today at one point we were sitting around looking at old photos of each other, laughing, etc. One of my coworkers happened to ask me about my Catholic background. She had been raised in the Catholic Church - she and her husband both - but her experience was not good apparently. She did not connect with faith in Jesus through that vehicle. They were "saved" later, through someone sharing with them in a more "moment of salvation by praying a prayer of reception" kind of deal. I informed her I wasn't raised Catholic - I became Catholic "on my own" - I became a Christian through that vehicle when I was 13. I was raised "unchurched."

I think this took her aback. She didn't quite know what to think about that. She and one other person said - "that's amazing" - meaning it was amazing that I had "accepted Christ" and had actually become a Christian through the Catholic Church. Interesting. Not that I haven't heard things like that before. She wanted to know more about that story - so I told her. It was funny. I think at one point she began being "concerned" about me (in a polite way) that perhaps I wasn't a real Christian. Note - I've just put that thought in her head. I'm not saying this "against" her at all. I'm just sharing a story to make a point. She asked me if the Priest in the catechism had actually shared with me the Gospel story, forgiveness of sins, etc. I said, "of course - it's all right there in the catechism - who Jesus was/is, why He came and died, the whole picture of the core of our common Christian faith." Something like that anyway. I mentioned that no one may have said to me "do you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?" but that the whole conversation, the catechetical presentation was an offer - an offer laid out to be accepted.

I think she was fine. This interaction just brought that issue to the forefront. Am I not "saved" because I didn't pray this "sinner's prayer" with someone who "shared with me" a certain version of the gospel story??? Maybe you think I'm not either. Well, hmmm. Obviously I think you're wrong. I don't think the revivalist argument holds water. If I have a deep faith and trust in Jesus, in the Father and the Holy Spirit and I live this faith daily am I not "in Him?" I think I am. Not because I do things, but because of the faith that was spawned by His Grace - that has made me alive. Now, I'm not actively within the Roman Catholic Church at this time. That is not because I think it to be illegitimate or "not Christian." That's ignorance! I didn't "get saved" and leave what I thought to be Babylon. Again, ignorance. I have simply moved with what I thought God was leading me to do along the way. That's not the point though.

What about this? Do we have to have a particular moment in time to harken back to in order to be considered truly Christian? Or can our faith grow and develop and become mature and we just ARE a Christian and we might not really "know" when the Holy Spirit took up residence in us??? I strongly think the latter most option to be the case. We may well have a "moment," but I would never accept that it's necessary. This community - Vine & Branches - is not one where you'll see emotionally charged "altar calls" or even offers to pray a sinner's prayer, ever. We are in Him. We are walking this transformational journey. We walk this journey of faith in the world, in and among those who aren't walking it. We live it openly and are ready to "offer" it to others if they are open. Then, perhaps, they will come along side us and begin walking in the same direction and find the wonderful surprise of faith growing in their hearts eventually. That is what we pray. That is our evangelism.

| posted by + Alan | 9:55 PM | |


Monday, November 25, 2002

Well, here's my long awaited blog. Alan is going to hate me because it is going to be really short (as I am blogging at work during my last 5 minutes of the workday). I might just rant a little. What ever happened to evangelism? When people think of evangelism, I think they think of Robert Tilton (see pastorgas.com for lots of fun, by the way) or one of those guys that went down in the 80's for fraud. In my job, I get to talk to pastors non-stop, pretty much all day long. One thing I've noticed: evangelism is on the back burner... I know that from what they tell me they spend on it usually and what outreaches they do as a church. It drives me crazy that we keep the truth of Christ shut up in a building! We keep the "salt" in the shaker, the candle under a bushel, and try to hide what God intended to be "a city sitting on a hill." What ever happened to personally sharing our faith in respectful ways with other people? What ever happened to doing something with the gospel?

The scary thing is I don't know what happened to it in my own life either. The cares of this world get to us all, and I'm no exception from the rule. Sometimes I wonder if we really believe this stuff. How would I live if I really bought it? How would you live?

Robert

| posted by Robert | 6:39 PM | |


Wednesday, November 20, 2002

I've got a little simple coffee house church thang with me and my friend Steve, and sometimes his wife Joan - meets on Monday nights. We had a very good time this last Monday talking about a Thomas Merton quote - it's pretty thick - so thick we'll be talking more about it next week. I look forward to it. During the conversation we got into the fact that spiritual formation takes a loooong time - that the whole quick-fix mentality when it comes to this is right out the window. We talked about how we need to work things out when we get hold of new truths or whatever. We can't just say "OK, done with that one, on to the next" - it may take us years to really wrestle out what we've gotten hold of. So we're wrestling. Here's the quote...

Love in fact is the spiritual life, and without it all the other exercises of the spirit, however lofty, are emptied of content and become mere illusions. The more lofty they are, the more dangerous the illusion.

Love, of course, means something much more than mere sentiment, much more than token favors and perfunctory almsdeeds. Love means an interior and spiritual identification with one's brother, so that he is not regarded as an "object" to "which" one "does good." The fact is that good done to another as to an object is of little or no spiritual value.

Love takes one's neighbor as one's other self, and loves him with all the immense humility and discretion and reserve and reverence, without which no one can presume to enter into the sanctuary of another's subjectivity. From such love all authoritarian brutality, all exploitation, domineering and condescension must necessarily be absent.

Good stuff big Tom - chew on that stuff for about 10 years.

| posted by + Alan | 10:03 AM | |


Sunday, November 10, 2002

Here's the "Christian quotation of the day" from CQOD:

"Let him who cannot be alone beware of community. He will only do harm to himself and to the community. Alone you stood before God when He called you; alone you had to answer that call; alone you had to struggle and pray; and alone you will die and give an account to God. You cannot escape yourself; for God has singled you out. If you refuse to be alone, you are rejecting Christ's call to you, and you can have no part in
the community of those who are called.... Let him who is not in community beware of being alone. Into the community you were called -- the call was not meant for you alone; in the community of the called you bear your cross, you struggle, you pray. You are not alone even in death, and on the Last Day you will be only one of the great congregation of Jesus Christ. If you scorn the fellowship of the brethren, you reject the call of Jesus Christ."
---Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906-1945), Life Together

Just a little something to stir up discussion.

| posted by #Debi | 7:57 PM | |


 

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